WMD

[Munro]

Respected Founder,

We have watched with sadness the centuries long conflict on your continent, and your endless pursuit of the blasphemer Carolus Maltman.  Many times have the Greeks entreated us to intervene, but modern Scotland is a peaceful and prosperous place.  While you researched artillery and harnessed nuclear fission for your battleships, Scotland pioneered the science of plastics and modern farming.  This was not our war and it was not our business.

But you went too far. 

We know about the 'Manhattan' project - the horrific military research you have been carrying out in the city of Sweet Tooth.  You seek to harness atomic energy for the utter anihilation of your enemies.  That you are even developing such a weapon is terrifying enough.  The fact that it could reach even the shores of Scotland itself - and threaten the very existance of mankind - this cannot be allowed.

Even as we speak, the Royal Marines of Scotland's own royal guard are storming the walls of your palace, and the defences of your military institutions.  Your nuclear ambitions will be dismantled, DribNairb, and your days as Founder, King and Slaver are numbered.  Peace and Democracy will prevail on your continent at last. 

It is time for this madness to end.

(OOC: turn order is dV & Fosse > DribNairb > Munro)

Recent Founder missile tests on jimini atoll, photographed by a Scottish spy plane in the northern oceanic passage.

[Fosse]

Greece is deeply troubled, but in no way surprised, to learn of such terrible research being undertaken by the warlord DribNairb. 

We celebrate the Scottish heroism and pray that the citizenry of the Founders rebel against their tyrant leader and surrender to the armies that fight for our world's safety.  An hour of strict silence was observed in the public places of Sparta to pay tribute to the Scotsmen who lost their lives today for freedom, and the many innocent killed by DribNairb's armies.

[Viktor Ahriman]

Due to recent events, Agarthia has chosen to take a stand.  For too long have we watched the Founders tear apart their continent in persuit of Maltman, but the development of nukes?!  We now stand with Greece and the Scots.  As of this minute, we have suspended our trade of sugar with the founders and have closed all borders and diplomatic channels with the Founders.  We have decided to deal with the Founders through trade and economics.  However, our military is on standby should the need arise.

Markus
Foreign Director

[da_Vinci]

Woo Li ponders the revelations from Scotland ...

"This explains the dreams of mushrooms I have been having for the last several days", Woo Li thinks to himself.

"My intelligence agents have told me that the Founders had a habit of referring to Munro of Scotland disparagingly as "Brute" ... and so when the spy plane photos of the nuclear tests were revealed, the Founder leadership was heard to exclaim 'U2, Brute?' "

"We have heard that the only life forms to survive the tests at Jimini Atoll were the crickets ... hardy creatures, these Jimini Crickets. "

[DribNairb]

I am continually amazed by the lack of understanding and the staggering arrogance of some of the leaders on this planet.

The Founders have stated since the dawn of time that the power of The One will be brought down upon those who attempt to undermine The Path.

This 'WMD' of which you speak is merely the manifestation of The Truth. I had hoped that a physical existance of The One would help to enlighten those and bring peace to this world. Some 'religions' spread their stories much more quickly when their God appears before the people. The Truth is far more complex than that, but I had hoped to show The Path to all as a way of bringing the world together.

Munro is simply trying to distort The Truth for his own ends. Unable to expand his empire any further he now seeks to take over this continent too. I fear for his neighbours for once The Founders are unable to offer protection, what will happen then?

OOC: Turn order is going to be interesting - I'll try and play as soon as I can after Fosse but due to all the other wars going on I sometimes haven't been able to play until very near the end of the timer. We may have to extend it further. Sorry.

[Viktor Ahriman]

Pretty hard to distort the truth when there is intelligence report and a city picture that proves you are building the manhatten project.  Unless all this time your constant blabber about the one is your way of saying the god you worship is a missle loaded with nuclear material.  Is this the one that you have been talking about and that the world will see and hear of the one??  Just what kind of spin are you trying to achieve?

Markus
Foreign Director

[DribNairb]

In what way are you saying The Founders are trying to distort The Truth? We do not dispute we are researching the immense power of The One. I must admit that the potential destruction from this research has far exceeded any of our original estimations and am therefore glad that the project looks like it will not need to come to fruition.

The One is a powerful being who founded the Earth on which we all live. We follow The Path to do his will as has been written in The Words since the dawn of time. In todays scientific understanding it is fair to say that some of the old legends of The One may have been distorted over time. However, it is clear to see that The One still holds the key to immense power through subatomic particles. I do not expect you to understand, but The One is the reason The Path exists and therefore the reason atomic weapons exist. Some of the power must come from these important particles we have learned through physics.

However, it seems that the mere research into this subject has had the desired effect. The existance of The Path is now plain for all to see. This was the entire aim of the project - to show the world that to follow The Path is right, and to attempt to undermine The Path is pure blasphemy. Some of my own learned friends have spoken out against the project believing that it's research could also be considered an attempt to undermine The Path - this has now been shown to be true. In my haste to end the current war I have instead strayed from The Path and am paying the price.

I submit that I was wrong to let this project get under way and repent my sins. I ask for forgiveness from The One and seek to follow The Path once more. The project has been cancelled and will not be restarted while there is breath in my body. The real question then, is Munro simply using this as a cover for his own expansionist ways? Or is he truly only invading to prevent the unleashing of the power of The One on the world? If so, he has achieved his aims.

[da_Vinci]

It would seem that the Carolingians have had the "Power of the One" unleashed on them already, Manhattan Project or no.

And, if Munro should stand down, what guarantee is there that Manhattan won't be resumed?  No, the evil of the Founder Alliance must be dismantled once and for all.

Woo Li, Chief Monk of the Shaolin, Wein Dynasty

[Munro]

Preventing you from destroying the world was our primary aim, and a necessary one.  However, while we have no interest in empire building, having now arrived on your continent, we cannot in good conscience depart and leave you to continue your persecution of the Carolingians and indeed your own enslaved and oppressed people.  

We are open to peace therefore, but there must be some conditions.

1) Your persecution of Carolus Maltman must end, his cities be returned to him, and reparations paid.  He may be a blasphemer under Founders law - but he is not a Founders citizen.  The sovereignty and integrity of the Carolingian state must be restored, and their borders respected.

2) You must abandon your practice of state sponsored slavery.  The occupied island city of Intellect will be created as an independent nation to act as a homeland and sanctuary for any freed slave who wishes to start a new life away from Founders rule.  (This includes the many thousands of liberated slaves who are already seeking sanctuary at the Scottish military base of Reasoning).

3) Your military institutions must submit to independent oversight to ensure the above conditions are preserved.

In return your captured cities will be returned to you (with the exception of the island of Intellect) and

(OOC: we would be prepared to accept the following deal
- capitulation + 100 gpt for the Carolignians
- Tours, Mainz, Shovelnose, Ulm and Ausburg gifted to the Carolingians
- Reasoning and any other captured mainland cities returned to the Founders
- civics change out of slavery
- Intellect will be gifted to the pirates ... aaarrr!! (since the game mechanics don't allow creation of single-city colonies)).

If these terms are acceptable to you then we will honour an immediate ceasefire while you negotiate in good faith with your allies for the prompt return of the above cities to the Carolingians.

I am sorry it has come to this, Founder, but just as Carolus is guilty by your laws, he is innocent under ours, and we cannot in good conscience abandon him to further persecution.

Regards,

Prime Minister Munro

[Viktor Ahriman]

Agarthia would accept the island nation if accepted by all sides.  We would hold the island under Agarthia control and would have observers where needed.  We understand we would incure a huge financial burden with this island, but in the intrest of peace, we will assume it.  Better off in our hands instead of pirates or barbarians.  Would this be acceptable Drib and Munro?  The island would be a military outpost with the purpose of insuring the peace is maintained.  Any troops or observers would be under command of the scottish military, as they are the ones offering a peace solution.  Agarthian military units would be only for defense of the island.

OOC:  not like mustkets could to a whole hell of a lot

Markus
Foreign Advisor

[Munro]

You're right, the pirates aren't necessarily an ideal choice.

That would be ok with me just as long as any freed slaves who wish to are permitted to settle there and are granted access rights to a share of the land on which to settle.

[DribNairb]

Your arbitrary demands seem completely independant of your reasons for declaring war. You now state you raze The Founders cities in order to restore maltman to leader of carolingia?
And you also now suggest your reason for invasion is because we still maintain the slavery civic - despite the fact, as mentioned before, that the only reason we have not had time to abolish this ancient practice is because you yourself have been aiding the enemy thereby forcing me to allocate resources which would otherwise have been used in freeing our slaves.

Are you deliberately demanding a ridiculously high price in order to maintain your warlike tendancies? Or are you true to your word? I cannot tell.

However, as leader of The Founders, I understand The Path I must take. I submit that I have indeed overstepped the line. I also have a limited understanding of your 'democrastic tendancies' (I hope I have translated that correctly) and believe that your trial system may hold the key to ending all wars:

Therefore I ask you, as the first democracy, to set up an independant trial for the leader of The Founders, DribNairb, with clear and concise charges so that I may stand trial and let independant judges decide the outcome. If required by your law I will personally attend the court and stand down as leader of The Founders while the trial continues. (This is, in fact, precisely the reason for war on our continent in the first place, albeit with a different leader).

However, I also ask that you do the same for carolus maltman, and allow a member of The Founders prosecution to present the charges.

If you are true to your original declaration this should fulfil all of your requirements. The punishment(s) can then be decided by a judge, not by the whim of you and your generals.

[DribNairb]

As usual, the 'peaceful' monks of wei seek only to generate anger and cause destruction. What possible reason have you for publishing such a message except to attempt to continue a war which everyone has been wanting to end for eons?
As usual, the reason is wei does not understand (or chooses not to understand) the basic words written in front of them. Scotland has enough sight of Founders cities to know precisely what is going on and can easily ensure the project does not continue, yet you choose to ignore this basic fact.
If you do not care to read the words written in front of you, please do not ask others to read yours.

It would seem that the Carolingians have had the "Power of the One" unleashed on them already, Manhattan Project or no.

And, if Munro should stand down, what guarantee is there that Manhattan won't be resumed?  No, the evil of the Founder Alliance must be dismantled once and for all.

Woo Li, Chief Monk of the Shaolin, Wein Dynasty

[da_Vinci]

Wei fully understands what has been placed before it by the Founder Alliance for us to "read":  The destruction of Carolingia "based on" trumped up charges against Maltman, the refusal to accept any peace that would be just in our eyes, and then, the research of an ultimate weapon of mass destruction.

And now, after confessing to conspiracy to commit mass murder, the Followers of the Path would have us pretend this latter event never happened?

We are, understandibly, after this Manhattan gesture, skeptical that the Founder Alliance can be reigned in by diplomacy alone.  It is in their hands to convince us that they have had a change of heart, and in the hands of Greece and Scotland to not only "trust but verify", but also to enforce.

A diplomatic dismantling of the Founder Alliance might be a possibility, but only if it has enforcable teeth ... no mere slaps on the wrist here!

Woo Li, Chief Monk of the Shaolin, Wei Dynasty

[Fosse]

Greece remains fully prepared to end this war and begin actual negotiations.  A framework must be in place before this can commence, as too often in this war the fruit of Peace has been dangled and snatched away.

The Alliance is currently establishing a framework that will bring the various parties to the table.  Once that framework is accepted Greece is committed to laying down arms.

[DribNairb]

Yet again you misread, misunderstand or simply ignore the text before your very eyes.

There was and is no conspiracy to commit mass murder. The Manhatten Project was research into subatomic particles and their energy and how it aligns with The Path. Any result of the project (if indeed the research even could be completed by mere mortals such as ourselves) was to be used as a deterrent to prevent further bloodshed in the war. The only way such a weapon would be used would be if you and your allies continued to ignore The Truth before you.

Wei fully understands what has been placed before it by the Founder Alliance for us to "read":  The destruction of Carolingia "based on" trumped up charges against Maltman, the refusal to accept any peace that would be just in our eyes, and then, the research of an ultimate weapon of mass destruction.

And now, after confessing to conspiracy to commit mass murder, the Followers of the Path would have us pretend this latter event never happened?

We are, understandibly, after this Manhattan gesture, skeptical that the Founder Alliance can be reigned in by diplomacy alone.  It is in their hands to convince us that they have had a change of heart, and in the hands of Greece and Scotland to not only "trust but verify", but also to enforce.

A diplomatic dismantling of the Founder Alliance might be a possibility, but only if it has enforcable teeth ... no mere slaps on the wrist here!

Woo Li, Chief Monk of the Shaolin, Wei Dynasty

[Munro]

Your arbitrary demands seem completely independant of your reasons for declaring war. You now state you raze The Founders cities in order to restore maltman to leader of carolingia?
And you also now suggest your reason for invasion is because we still maintain the slavery civic - despite the fact, as mentioned before, that the only reason we have not had time to abolish this ancient practice is because you yourself have been aiding the enemy thereby forcing me to allocate resources which would otherwise have been used in freeing our slaves.

Are you deliberately demanding a ridiculously high price in order to maintain your warlike tendancies? Or are you true to your word? I cannot tell.

However, as leader of The Founders, I understand The Path I must take. I submit that I have indeed overstepped the line. I also have a limited understanding of your 'democrastic tendancies' (I hope I have translated that correctly) and believe that your trial system may hold the key to ending all wars:

Therefore I ask you, as the first democracy, to set up an independant trial for the leader of The Founders, DribNairb, with clear and concise charges so that I may stand trial and let independant judges decide the outcome. If required by your law I will personally attend the court and stand down as leader of The Founders while the trial continues. (This is, in fact, precisely the reason for war on our continent in the first place, albeit with a different leader).

However, I also ask that you do the same for carolus maltman, and allow a member of The Founders prosecution to present the charges.

If you are true to your original declaration this should fulfil all of your requirements. The punishment(s) can then be decided by a judge, not by the whim of you and your generals.

We appreciate your humble and respectful response, DribNairb.  However, I am sure you recognize that this would not have been a high price to pay.  You are giving up very little, other than that which was already taken from the Carolignians in the first place - and you will receive the return of your own lands in return.  The reparations originally suggested were paltry compared to the true cost to Carolignia of your centuries long war.  Such generous terms were offered purely in the interests of expediency.  And as yourself state, your very reasons for slavery vanish with the war, so this is hardly a significant price to pay.

Nor is there any inconsistency.  To our shame, it took the possibility of global annihilation and a threat to our own national security to compel us finally to act.  We should have intervened long ago.  Your practice of state slavery and persecution of the Carolignians is unjust and unethical under our laws and constitution, which enshrines and protects the rights of all to free speech and emancipation.  Now that we are involved, we cannot simply abandon your victims to the former status quo.

Therefore, these conditions for surrender must remain.  These are not the whims of our generals, they are the carefully considered position of our democratically elected government, and and they represent the sentiments and will of the Scottish people.

1) Return of Carolignian lands to pre-war boundaries, and reparations paid.
2) The immediate abolition of slavery and creation of an independent homeland for those freed.
3) External oversight of your military institutions (in the interests of neutrality, we are willing to delegate this to an independent third party, if a willing nation can be found).

With the exception of reparations, these terms are cannot be negotiated.  The sum of 100 gpt was suggested in the interests of expediency and the preservation of further Scottish and Founders life.  On further investigation, however, it has become clear from our discussion with the Carolignians and their allies that this so grossly understates the true cost to them of their centuries long persecution and exile, that this must be properly negotiated directly with the Carolignians, Greeks and Weians themselves.  We have no direct interest in the result - but we do obviously have an interest in brokering a prompt and fair deal, since further Scottish and Founder lives are at stake while the war otherwise continues.  So we will consider any surrender that meets the above conditions and includes a serious and meaningful offer to addresses the main grievances of the Carolignians and their allies.  (100 gpt will not be sufficient however).

As for your suggestion of a trial... our courts have no interest or jurisdiction to pursue you personally for your crimes.  Your war was conducted within the bounds of accepted practice, and the terms of your surrender are a matter of state, national security and foreign policy - not a legal matter for the courts.  Nonetheless, if after peace has been restored and the terms of your surrender implemented, you wish to challenge the terms in a civil court, you will be free to do so.  I find it doubtful you would have any case against Carolus Maltman however.  Freedom of speech is enshrined in our constitution - and it would in any case be unprecedented for a domestic court to seek extradition of a foreign head of state for a civil case such as this.

But I digress.  We are at war and talk of legal restitution means nothing without acceptable terms of surrender and the start of good faith negotiations with the Carolignians and their allies to make adequate reparations for the war.

In the meantime, I'm sorry, but in the absence of your willingness to accept our terms, our generals have their orders and will continue to liberate your slaves and dismantle your apparatus of war.

Prime Minister Munro

[DribNairb]

It seems clear that you have no intention of stopping the war - you invade The Founders merely to ensure your own technological superiority. This will allow you to invade your neighbours at a time of your choosing without any fear of reparations.

However, I know The Truth and will call your bluff. The Founders will accept your terms.

Regarding compensation for the carolinigian people - you may choose to leave this up to our enemies. However, they too have simply been prolonging this war and will surely demand ridiculous sums. The world will note that ALL citizens of the former carolingian state are enjoying a comfortable and happy life. Under maltman's rule they will be forced into a backwards people again - something I expect very few will be willing to do. Clearly this is far worse for the citizens, but also clearly that is not something you care about.

[Viktor Ahriman]

Agarthia will be willing to accept the role of the 3rd party.  What would this all mean?  That the Founders would captulate to us instead of you?  Or just assume his captured cities and let it be that?  What exactly are your demands here.

Nuahs
Foreign Advisor

[Viktor Ahriman]

Ok, after reading the posts again, we would accept the founder captulating to us and taking control of cities that Munro deems necessary.  All slaves and those freed from oppression will be taken to the cities under Agarthia control. 

Nuahs
Foreign Advisor

[DribNairb]

We are still at war because we have still not heard from carolingia about their 'compensation'. However, I wish to get a peace treaty signed so that I may prove to the world that The Founders are correct in this matter and anything anyone else believes is falsehood.

I will accept Viktor's offer to be the third party to check military installations (OOC: capitulation)

I will accept that returning the city of Augsburg to carolingia is a requirement. The other cities mentioned are under the control of other nations - I cannot speak for them. Regardless of what you may perceive other civs follow The Path in their own way and are free to make their own decisions. However, I would expect that the citizens of Augsburg will not be too happy with returning to the backward ways of maltman.

I also pledge to abolish the practice of slavery as soon as a peace deal has been agreed. I have been hoping to do this for some time. However, you must understand that while your military remains within striking distance of Founders cities it is impossible to pass the laws which will change these civics unless a peace treaty is confirmed.

OOC - just out of interest, would I have been allowed to use my reload to the turn before munro attacked so that I could defend my cities better? It seems that tactical reloads like that have been allowed in the past, but personally I don't think it should be allowed so I'm not going to ask for it. This is probably a separate discussion but I thought I'd bring it up.

[Munro]

It seems clear that you have no intention of stopping the war - you invade The Founders merely to ensure your own technological superiority. This will allow you to invade your neighbours at a time of your choosing without any fear of reparations.

However, I know The Truth and will call your bluff. The Founders will accept your terms.

It's sad that you doubt our sincerity, but there is no bluff to call.  We accept your surrender under the terms laid out.  I have issued an immediate cease fire to our generals while we process the terms of the surrender as follows.  (OCC: either a cease fire or 10 turns peace is fine while we sort this out).

1) Ausburg, Tours, Mainz, Shovelnose and Ulm are to be gifted to the Carolignians.  We accept that only Ausburg is under your direct control (and should be gifted promptly).  Do you have any influence with your allies to encourage prompt return of these other cites without further bloodshed by all concerned?

2) Reparations.  Carolignia and her protectors have asked me to mediate the negotiations and have indicated that they would be willing to settle for the following amount. 

- 150 gpt to Carolignia
- 50 gpt to Greece
- 50 gpt to Wei

By way of justification they have outlined the material cost of weaponary, troop maintenance, lost productivity and income from the occupied Carolignian cities which significantly exceed these amounts.  If you wish to present any evidence in support of further adjustment to these numbers, please do so now.

3) Slavery.  Just an immediate civics change; nothing more.

4) Military supervision.  The Agarthians have agreed to take over this role as a netural third party who have no stake in the war or your continent.  Please submit as a permanent vassal to the Agarathians, who will ensure you remain at peace relations are maintained.

5) No nukes.  Already agreed, but just be explicit, you will not restart the Manhattan Project.

In return, and once these conditions are satisfied, you have our word that Scotland will return the city of Reasoning to the Founders, gift the city of Intellect to the Agarthians to administer as an independent state for freed slaves, and withdraw our troops from your lands.

Regards,

Prime Minster Munro

[Fosse]

Greece will sign onto the terms outlined in Scotland's most recent post, provided that the entirety of Carolingia is returned to its rightful owner before the final peace is signed.  We are well aware that The Founders are not directly in control of all of these cities, but there is no reason for anyone to believe that the nations in the Founder Alliance are not still taking their marching orders from DribNairb. 

There is nothing to prevent The Founders from taking ceremonial control of these cities to turn them over to Carolingia at the Treaty's signature.  (OOC: They can be given to Drib first, then given immediately to Carolus)

Without this measure, especially given the continued silence of the rest of the Founder Alliance on the matters of peace, there is no reason to expect their cooperation in ending the occupation.

[da_Vinci]

Woo Li speaks to the terms proposed by Munro ...

The point that is missing from these terms is some assurance that The Founders do not maintain a proxy war against Greece, Carolingia, or Wei by selling troops and military hardware to the other members of the Founder Alliance.  In the absence of some assurance of that, it would seem that in order to ensure the security of Carolingia, peace between Scotland and The Founders would have to await the conclusion of definitive peace treaties among all of the other combattants.

What mechanisms to assure that such proxy warfare does not occur are The Founders and Scotland willing to agree to?

Woo Li, Chief Monk of the Shaolin, Wei Dynasty

[r_rolo1]

A informal note from the King of Babylon:

Babylon has not taken sides in this war, so I expect that our opinion to be considered minimally equative.

Said this, I don't see how the Founders can do much more than the Scots ask. How can a country that acepted defeat can force his ex-allies to unoccupy previous captured cities? ( OOC: really , even without the above argument, that is not so RPish as that, some of the "allies" of Drib are AI, for heavens sake.... )

Munro already hinted that he has the means to know the location of every military force inside of the Founders territory and what the Founders are doing. I think that is enough to control proxy war movements. But in the end this is a concern you should adress to Viktor, not to the Scots or to the Founders , in case the draft treaty that Munro shows here is acepted by the Founders and they become vassals of the Agarthians.

A minor question: the draft treaty does not explicitely state that the Founders should end war with the allies of Carolingia. This is intended? The Scots and Agarthia are willing to acept a surrender to them only and to side with the Founders against the Greeks and Wei ( the only peace treaty that it is cleary requested is with Carolus )? ( OOC: some " let's drive the russian out of here while we are still here" WW II RPish )

Said this, I, ruler of the land between the rivers, expect that this war ends soon. War is bad for every business besides war itself ( P.S and we still are acepting requests for mining inc exectuives for making branches overseas )

Ricardo

Ruler of the land between the rivers

[DribNairb]

Nations who follow The Path do not take orders from The Founders. All those who believe The Truth do so by themselves. Obviously our nations talk to each other through diplomatic channels but there is no leader, no Founders Alliance and no marching orders. This fallacy is something which has been propogated by our enemies to paint the illusion that The Founders are hellbent on destruction when in fact nothing is further from The Truth.

I will make a request, but I can make no guarantees. In fact, your invasion has probably reduced any influence I may have had with them.

[Capsavian Hopewell]

OOC - just out of interest, would I have been allowed to use my reload to the turn before munro attacked so that I could defend my cities better? It seems that tactical reloads like that have been allowed in the past, but personally I don't think it should be allowed so I'm not going to ask for it. This is probably a separate discussion but I thought I'd bring it up.

OOC:  It's too late now for that particular reload.  Where it not though, I'd suggest that would contravene the spirit of the Rules, but not the technical interpretation of it.  So I thank you for being a good sport about this, as you're right it has been kind of open to interpretation.

We definitely need to get Rule 5.1 clarified to eliminate that ambiguity for Chaos and Civility 3.

[da_Vinci]

War is bad for every business besides war itself ( P.S and we still are acepting requests for mining inc exectuives for making branches overseas )

Ricardo

Ruler of the land between the rivers

Leonardo, now in better circumstances in this new world of enlightentment, comments on diplomatic discussions in the "Interminable War"

Is is wonderful to see that Babylon, and Scotland, have evolved to a level of enlightenment where they detest war and value peace.  The people of Yourcenae, in their various new environs, or old environs under "new management", recall when Scotland and Babylon each found the business of war to be very profitable ...

Leonardo, free-lance intellectual

[Capsavian Hopewell]

Leonardo, free-lance intellectual

Sounds like a fancy word for "unemployed college grad".   

[r_rolo1]

War is bad for every business besides war itself ( P.S and we still are acepting requests for mining inc exectuives for making branches overseas )

Ricardo

Ruler of the land between the rivers

Leonardo, now in better circumstances in this new world of enlightentment, comments on diplomatic discussions in the "Interminable War"

Is is wonderful to see that Babylon, and Scotland, have evolved to a level of enlightenment where they detest war and value peace.  The people of Yourcenae, in their various new environs, or old envirions under "new management", recall when Scotland and Babylon each found the business of war to be very profitable ...

Leonardo, free-lance intellectual

For someone that was received as you were in Babylon, you shows something close of ingratitute, Leonardo.

Do i have to recall that the now missing Yourceanean king gave permission to the babylonian troops to occupy what was left of the territory of Yourcenae? You were in his court at the time , so you should remember...

Babylon until now fought 4 wars: one preemptive strike against a nation that was amassing offensive, one to avoid the spread of the disorder that was affecting a nearby country, one humanitarian takeover ( Yourcenae ) and one punitive  expedition vs a war criminal that had showed clear intentions of backstabbing me soe turns before. In neither of those war babylon gained much...

Ricardo

Ruler of the land between the rivers