Skarsgardian government

[DribNairb]

Due to the current continental situation the Skarsgardian government has been finding it increasingly difficult to maintain order among their population. The recent naval assaults by the Wei Deynasty have caused devastation. The population are aligned to The Path and will not give up on the cause.

However, Rennald Skarsgard has been increasingly unavailable for some time and is unable to make the necessary decisions to protect his territory and his people. He has therefore requested the help of The Founders to maintain government in order to re-establish order.

The Founders look after all who follow The Path and will govern these cities for as long as Skarsgardia sees fit.

I would like to take this opportunity to again call on the leaders of wei and greece to hand over the blasphemer carolus maltman so that this conflict may come to an end. The carolingian people have suffered greatly due to the incompetence and arrogance of their leader. Now wei and Skarsgardia suffer too for the same man.

[Fosse]

Greece and Wei suffer not for Carolus Maltman, but for justice.  Our friend and ally is pursued, but it is not for that pursuit that the heinous crimes committed by DribNairb and his followers have been committed.  Rather, it is the intention to commit these crimes that led to the manufacture of the Maltman bogeyman.

Skarsgaardia aligned itself with, and abetted, the terrible crimes of genocide committed by the Founders.  In doing this, they brought hardship upon themselves as they made themselves an obstacle of justice.


OOC:  What's the in-game effect going on here?  Are you subbing for him for a bit?  Has he become your vassal? 

Is Rennald leaving and gifting his cities to you?  I'm not sure that we should be comfortable with the "little guy" of an alliance turning his cities over to the big guy as part of stepping away from the game.  Suddenly those cities that were contributing to Rennald's research and industrial base are now contributing to the far more advanced Founders. 

I understand and appreciate the role-play justification, but it strikes me as a very unbalancing when the "satallites" have all begun merging with the Founders.  Please don't read this as being motivated purely by my in-game concerns (they are in part, of course, but I'm not even completely sure yet what the in-game actions are).  I'm interested mostly in a reasonable discussion about the rules vs. the game mechanics, and can be examined hypothetically easily enough.

And if that's NOT what's going on (again, I"m not sure), well, why not discuss that scenario and come to a consensus about it? 

[DribNairb]

You say you are at war for justice? Then hand the blasphemer over to pay for his crimes!

We have stated again and again, yet you refuse to listen. The initial declaration of war on carolingia was for suspected crimes by their government. One of the crimes was subsequently proven to not be caused by carolingia. If sensible diplomatic negotiations had been initiated I expect the war would have ceased almost immediately.

Instead, maltman turned on The Truth and did everything in his power to undermine The Path. These crimes are clear for all to see and have been against the law since the dawn of time. Any attempt to deny this is ridiculous. All attempts to ask him to repent fell on deaf ears.

So the war continues to find the blasphemer. he could and should have ended this a long time ago before his people suffered, but instead he went into hiding and expected others to fight for him. Clearly you still misunderstand the situation or have fallen for his deceit.


OOC: I don't actually know what Rennald is doing to be honest - I haven't spoken to him for a while and he's missed several turns recently. In game he offered me some of his cities with no explanation. At the moment Rennald's cities have been under attack by Wei and I assume the reason is because he hasn't the time to defend himself properly.

It hadn't occurred to me that this might be considered unbalancing, but I do see your point. However, I would counter this by suggesting the situation is a peaceful version of when you took over america. As you say, this might be worth discussing on an alternative thread if you want to start one?

[Munro]

OOC: I also think this is worthy of discussion.  I'll start a separate thread.

[Fosse]

Greece and her allies misunderstand nothing.  Instead we refute that the cause of the war is anything short of naked aggression and a lust for conquest.

We consider the Founders' insistence that a personal quarrel is reason enough to commit the most bloody crimes our world has seen as indicative of their desire to conceal the true cruel nature of their regime.  If we instead accepted your proffered justification for your actions, we would instead have to include that you are insane, as the action is so shockingly out of proportion with the impetus.

OOC:
I wouldn't agree that it's similar to my taking WU2's cities, as I did that against his will and it cost me something to do so.  I've always thought that such "surrenders" or "annexations" as the ones we're potentially talking about were generally unbalancing but sometimes a fairly reasonable course of action.  In any case, you're right about needing it's own thread.  

http://www.chaosciv.com/index.php/topic,672.new.html#new

[Fosse]

OOC: I also think this is worthy of discussion.  I'll start a separate thread.

Whoops.. and here I took so long doing that that we cross posted. 

[DribNairb]

Greece and her allies misunderstand nothing.  Instead we refute that the cause of the war is anything short of naked aggression and a lust for conquest.

We consider the Founders' insistence that a personal quarrel is reason enough to commit the most bloody crimes our world has seen as indicative of their desire to conceal the true cruel nature of their regime.  If we instead accepted your proffered justification for your actions, we would instead have to include that you are insane, as the action is so shockingly out of proportion with the impetus.

Again, you misunderstand and choose to ignore the facts. This is no personal quarrel. It is a law which has been in place since the dawn of time. Those who seek to undermine The Path will fall before the might of The One. Those who choose to live their lives ignoring their calling may do so, but they may not seek to prevent others from finding The Truth. This is what carolus maltman tried to do by blaspheming against The Path in a vain attempt to cover his failed leadership. Had he repented his sins and apologised for his remarks (if they had been said in the heat of the moment) he and his people would have escaped punishment. Instead he stood by his invalid opinions of The Path and tried to stop others from following it. THIS is the cause for war. THIS is what must be corrected before peace can be achieved.

The Truth is. The Path is followed. Nothing you or I say can change that.