3.19 patch

[r_rolo1]

The title says it all.....

Will this affect this game?

[Elkad]

Since this game has a custom DLL, and the patch has a new DLL, applying the patch will probably break the game.

A new 40civ DLL with the patch will need to be created.

On the Civfanatics Pitboss forum, I just proposed that all Pitboss games wait to patch until Saturday, 20 June.  Among other things, the STEAM version isn't even available yet.

[Capsavian Hopewell]

Thanks for making me aware of this patch.  As Elkad pointed out, we CAN'T apply this patch, without breaking the 40civ mod. 

So at this time, we have to wait.   I like the idea of waiting until June 20, but has anyone heard from the original mod creator?  Maybe he won't even have time to update his mod? 

[Elkad]

More civs is a pretty standard compile I think.  Just change one field and go.  Did we have other changes in the mod?

If it's just the civ total, I'd expect one to be available shortly.  It might be 38civs, or 50, but it should cover us.

[Capsavian Hopewell]

Just the standard 40civs mod, no special customizations.

Though loading with any other mod, I think might render our saved game incompatible?  So we pretty much HAVE to have the 40civs mod--as far as I understand, anyway.

[Elkad]

My main point is that we need time to find out these things, so don't rush to patch.

If my standard games get patched and then this one isn't, we'd need to maintain dual-installs anyway.

So I'm just trying to get everyone onboard with an agreed delay.  Some games may not patch at all.  I'm just trying to avoid situations where people patch up, and then find out they can't play half their turns because some games didn't patch and they didn't know.  Resulting in reinstalls, missed turns, rollbacks, and general frustrations.

If we know in advance which games are patching and which aren't, everyone can come up with their own custom solution, depending on what games they are currently playing.  I'm in 9 games, split between 2 mods plus standard code already.

I threw June 20th out as a "don't patch before this date" to give time to work all this out.  I'm in no way trying to force every game to patch (though if its possible without breaking saves, it makes the most sense)

[Munro]

Just the standard 40civs mod, no special customizations.

Though loading with any other mod, I think might render our saved game incompatible?  So we pretty much HAVE to have the 40civs mod--as far as I understand, anyway.

Even if a new 40-Civs mod is compiled and released for the new V3.19 patch
- will it be able to load an old V3.17 save?
- do we even want to switch to the V3.19 patch? 

The changes in the new patch look fine but there's hardly anything we couldn't live without.  It might be easier to just play out the rest of this game out on V3.17, using a dual install if necessary.

Creating a 'dual install' isn't hard at all.  In fact I'd recommend doing it anyway just in case your main installl gets upgraded without your realizing / intending it.  (Sounds like that might be a possibility with Steam)?  To create a dual install, just make a copy of your 'Civilization 4' folder in the Program Files > Firaxis Games folder.  Call it 'Civilization 4 V3.17' or something.  Then go into that folder and rename the Beyond The Sword folder to 'Beyond the Sword V3.17' or similar.

Then create a copy of your My Games > Beyond the Sword folder and rename it to match the name you used in the previous step - i.e. 'Beyond the Sword V3.17' (or whatever name you used).  When running your V3.17 BtS application, it will look here for saves, mods etc.

Then you should be able to continue running the V3.17 version without any problems even after patching the original.  (Just run the executable directly from the Program Files > Firaxis Games > Civilization 4 V3.17 > Beyond the Sword V3.17 folder).

But in summary, I would suggest we continue to play this game on V3.17 for the sake of simplicity.

Cheers,
Munro