War against the Imperium

[Viktor Ahriman]

Today marked an unfortunate event.  We were forced into war against the Imperium.  We joined with Millcc against Sisuitil and did not agree with the burning of cities that he performed.  But we ingored that event.  Then the Babylonians attacked Millcc.  From there the Imperium started to fall.  One by one the cities fell.  Then Geronimo attacked Millcc to prevent a continent controlled by the Babylonians.  Again, we sat and faced a tough question, do we sit idle or do we act and prevent Agarthia from falling behind the huge countries that are forming on our continent.  We thought about helping Millcc, but after looking at the balance, Agarthia could do nothing to prevent the downfall of the Imperium.  So the elders once again took the decision to invade the Imperium.  The 2nd Shadow Division and the 1st Vorlon Division entered Millcc lands and captured 2 workers.  We interrogated them and thought we got valuable information.  Apon moving into the trees by the city of IX, we were ambused.  Advanced pikemen and longbowmen appeared out of no where and slaughtered our horses.  3 escaped and headed back to Agarthia.  They sent word of the ambush to the rest of the army that was coming with the catapults and supply line.  Immedialty we turned around.  But for the rest of the army, they were killed apon retreating.  1/4 of the army arrived back into Grant City not knowing what happened.  Both generals from each division was killed, hell everyone was killed.  We now know that the information we got from the captured workers was all a lie.  They will be executed under the laws of Agarthia for the murder of our brave men and women. 

[chris (millcc)]

Noone forced you to betray someone you once called friend. 

Our workers volunteered to give their lives to provide false information.  Their sacrifice will be honoured

Now all that remains is to fight to the end.

[Viktor Ahriman]

You are still our friend.  But we cannot allow the Babylonians to rule half the continent.  I know its hard to believe that we still call you friend, but we have no problems with your civilization.  If you were not attacked by 2 nations and half defeated and no way out for you, rest assure we would have not attacked you.  We are trying to save your people from all becoming Babylonians.

Nuahs
Foreign Advisor

[da_Vinci]

You are still our friend.  But we cannot allow the Babylonians to rule half the continent.  I know its hard to believe that we still call you friend, but we have no problems with your civilization.  If you were not attacked by 2 nations and half defeated and no way out for you, rest assure we would have not attacked you.  We are trying to save your people from all becoming Babylonians.

Nuahs
Foreign Advisor

Leonardo has heard of this exchange, contributes his two talons

My Dear Nuahs,

HaHaHa ... ooohh ... let me catch my breath ...  Ha ... Ha

You must be a superb diplomat to be able to say these things with a straight face!

First of all, your generous offer to the people of the Imperium is to save them from becoming Babylonians ... by what, making them Agarthians?  Perhaps they would rather be Babylonians, given that choice?  But it appears they would prefer to die as Imperialites ...

Since it is only a matter of time before Agarthia is swallowed up by Babylon, what is the point of some Imperialites temporarily being Agarthians?

Now, to still considering the Imperium as a friend ... your idiosyncratic use of that term has evolved even further ... let me remind you of this: (Archives of Avalon)

"Well since you keep bringing it up, we do not deny that we invaded Avalon.  It was publically announced in our embassy.  We do not deny that we cause Avalon to pick up and move.  Why do you continue to press this issue.  I state again, the city of Eagleton was under constant pressure from Avalon culture.  With this our lands around Eagleton ended up being swallowed by Avalon culture.  The city of Eagleton started to starve.  With a duty to the people of Agarthia, we could no longer tolerate it.  We made that decision to remove the threat.  Now remember, we had the will and ability to destroy the Avalonians.  Unlike your kindness to the Matriarch, we allowed a way for the Avalonians to survive.  We allowed them to migrate to the islands.  Under this we forged a treaty that Agarthia and Babylon will never bother the Avalonians again.  We have stayed true to that treaty.  Agarthia considers Avalon a friend now ... "

Back then, you apparently awaited the passage of time to consider your victim a friend.  Now, you consider them a friend WHILE you invade them?

We may have destroyed Henna, but at least we never claimed to be their friend while doing it ...

Leonardo, hermit and crab

[Viktor Ahriman]

My dear Hermit,

How much I wish your cave would collapse on you. 
How could you understand anything hiding in a remote place.

Nuahs
Foreign Advisor

[da_Vinci]

My dear Hermit,

How much I wish your cave would collapse on you.

Nuahs
Foreign Advisor

My dear Nuahs,

I am so relieved that you still consider me a friend!

Leonardo, hermit and crab

[Viktor Ahriman]

My dear soon to be dead Hermit:

I dont every remember calling you a friend.  Agarthia does not hold grudges and the past is the past.  New Avalon and Agarthia had a rough start and a cramped location, even though we called each other friend, it was obvious that we had a problem.  You forget we allowed them to survive and have not threatened them since.  Why cant we call them friend?  They are not our enemy.  As far as Millcc goes, it is unfortunate that we had to invade them, and you may laugh at us calling them friend as we do it, but again we do not have any grudges against the Imperium people.  The people are our friend and deserve to be Agarthian.   How do you  enjoy speaking Babylonian?  I am sure you will find the Agarthian language alot easier to understand.  We have less accents than the Babylonians.  So would you please just die in your cave and let us nations that still have borders use the diplomatic channels.  We cant just wait for you floating vessels to be sunk and thus eliminating your ability to voice opions from a dead race.  I dont know why i continue to reply to your messages.....maybe you are my friend 

Nuahs
Foreign Advisor

[da_Vinci]

My Dear Nuahs,

Well, since you apparently have friend synonymous with enemy in Agarthian, your well wishes to me seemed an expression of Agarthian friendship!

Much to your chagrin, it seems that no one dies of old age on this world.

We do have borders, defined by the deck perimiter of our last ship.  Our floating embassy.  And if that should be sunk, how does that prevent a lone hermit from expressing his views?  My communications to you go though channels unrelated to our ship.

Perhaps, if as you say, Agarthia holds no grudges, and the past is the past, you might relent in your hostility toward the poor defeated Yourcenaean people?  What have we ever done to Agarthia, other than to criticize your diplomatic communiques?

We live to annoy,

Leonardosama

[Viktor Ahriman]

Very well, we then extend a hand of friendship to the Hermit of the Yourceneans.  It is true that we wont hold grudges and maybe we let you annoy us more than we should have.   

Nuahs
Foreign Advisor

[da_Vinci]

Very well, we then extend a hand of friendship to the Hermit of the Yourceneans.  It is true that we wont hold grudges and maybe we let you annoy us more than we should have.   

Nuahs
Foreign Advisor

My Dear Nuahs, this is splendid!  We can now turn our gift to defending the statements and actions of Agarthia.

Now, if you could only convince the Vali to do the same, then the poor simple sailors on our last ship could once again go safely out to sea, to eke out a simple living ...

Leonard Oh Joy!

[Capsavian Hopewell]

This is an interesting conversation, and perhaps I might be of some minor assistance in elucidation:

First, the Agarthian language is a tonal one.  Ironically, the word for "friend" is written very similarly to that of "enemy".  The only difference is of context.  Spoken, however, it's almost immediately evident that the subtleties are in how the word is pronounced.

The Agarthians claim that their language is simple and without dialect;  but of course to anyone non-Agarthian, their words are complex and challenging to translate.  My own emissaries to Agarthia have had to tread carefully, as we can never know when "support" means "curse" until we've observed the term spoken contextually. 

Very complex people, those northerners.  We blame it on the fact that they live in lands so cold, few squirrels call it home.  A land without squirrels is a land that God does not smile upon.

So I'm sure you'll agree, both, that the issue of mistranslation can be understood better.


Secondly, the issue of the Yourcenean refugees could be settled quickly, if they just turned themselves in to stand trial, instead of hiding in caves and coves like criminals.  I think our record stands as being reasonable and fair in this respect. 

Vali Hopewell

[da_Vinci]

Ah, Greetings Dear Vali,

Your elucidation is in reality more obscuring, and a bit unsettling, as now I do not know if Agarthia considers the Yourcenaean remnants friend or foe!

With regard to our refugees surrendering to stand trial, that would be an admission of the validity of you indictment, would it not?  The problem being that we do not recognize the validity of your indictment in the first place!

In our opinion, your charges are trumped up, and there is no wrongdoing at all about which to have a trial!

An impartial grand jury, outside of Aidern, would also settle the issue promptly, with a quick dismissal!

Leonardo, Esquire

OOC ... Have you noticed that this conversation is about the only RP going on at the moment?

dV

[Capsavian Hopewell]

OOC ... Have you noticed that this conversation is about the only RP going on at the moment?

dV

OOC:  It happens!  Seems to go in cycles, the RPing. 


Leonardo the Lawyer, esq.,

Of course I would expect you to believe the charges are false, just as I am sure you will agree that the Dernish insistence of your guilt is likewise expected.

Surrendering to stand trial is an admission of nothing but an agreement to pursue justice.  By fleeing and hiding from the Ministry of Peace, if anything you are demonstrating to the world that you DO have a guilty conscience as you are lacking the confidence to stand trial before the eyes of the international body.

Vali Hopewell

[Viktor Ahriman]

Yes Capsavian you are right.  Our language has many words that can be taken out of context.  Friend is one of them.  If it is said Fri'end, then it means to refer to someone that we (Agarthia) will consider you (person being spoken too) non-hostile and will not engage in military action with you.  The definition continues as that Agarthia will however consider peaceful spying against you such as demographics information.  Nothing damaging.   

If you speak it Fr'iend, then it means what the above definition, but it includes more spying action that could result in damage if decided apon, and the action of the person it is spoken too is under a microscope.  The possibility of war is 50/50.

One must be careful on how it is spoken and is very difficult to be understood by another nation.  That is why we are considering a Agarthia translater to all nations we have met so that it doesnt get confused. 

[da_Vinci]

Well, this is a step, as it clarifies the source of the ambiguity.

Might Agarthia be willing to clarify the ambiguty as to whether Fri'endship, or Fr'iendship was offered to the remnants of Yourcenae?

We would also be interested to know, if you are interested in telling, whether your relations when you moved to protect the Imperiium were Fri'endship, or Fr'iendship?  This would help us greatly in our attempts to comprehend this aspect of your language.

Leonardo, polyglot

[Viktor Ahriman]

Hello Hermit,

When we first met you we considered you fri'end as we did with all new contacts.  But as time went on and your involvment with Henna and Aidern in conjunction with talk of evil spirits and demonic possessions led us to call you fr'iend.  Now that is history and while we still dont agree with your persistant ghost stories we dont have the diplomatic time and resources to put against you.  We now call you fri'end as you are not a threat to anyone, but we still feel that you need to surrender your vessels and face trial.  At that, we are disconcerning ourselves with the tensions between Aidern and Yourcenean.  So fri'end, good luck in your trial or evading Aidern 

As far as the Imperium goes, we did consider them fr'iend in the beginning.  A little part of us just never really trusted him.  We also did not agree with the burning of cities.   We also entered the war on other classified information.  However, we do feel that this invasion was not in the best interest of Agarthia.  With the slaughter of our northern army and a newly settled town burned,  we are reviewing all foreign and military objectives.  It comes down to being too greedy.  Some members of the Agarthian government eyed the Millcc invasion as a quick land grab as Mill was going down anyways.  This is not good policy and will not be repeated in the future.  Surely theses members will be punished for their misguidance to the Lord of Agarthia and the military commanders.

Nuahs
Foreign Advisor