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Author Topic: Article on the Greek-Canadian war, by the Greek philosopher Thales  (Read 370 times)
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« on: December 07, 2008, 11:37:23 PM »

The Greek people became very upset after hearing the harsh words from their American friends, and having the borders closed off.  What was especially hurtful were the accusations that the Greek soldiers, who were composed of their friends and families, were slaughtering civilians instead of fighting military and working to remove the rule of the Canadian despot, Kingpin.  It also sparked discussion among the Greek philosophers.  Thales, one of the most popular Greek philosophers among the common people, wrote an article on the Justness of war, and in particular, the Greek war against the Canadians.

What is justness?  How can it be applied to war?  Can there be a just war?  These are questions that many will answer differently.  The Americans to the west, and others have already answered soundly:  The Greek war is unjust.

The reason they give, is that the sovereignty of the Canadians is being violated.  Sovereignty, in relation to a nation, can be defined as a nation's right to rule itself.

They also claim that they could hear the screams of innocents being slaughtered, and hence that the Greeks are without compassion or honor. Although that claim is known to be false, both because we all know the fine character of the Greek soldiers, and because there was no battle in the city of Estevan, as the Canadian army had retreated.

But back to the case of violating Canadian sovereignty, does that in itself make the war against the Canadians unjust?  Although, one must first ask, where was the uproar when the Catfish Federation was invaded?  Or the Myrmidons?  If the uproar was a matter of principle over the sovereignty of nations, wouldn't those wars have been so repugnant to the Americans that they would have spoke up against those wars, or sent assistance to those countries?

The Buddhist pacifists are true objectors to war. They voted no to the war on principle.  They object to any to and all violence, because since to them God is everything and everyone in this world, any violence is an attack on God.  They do not care for the sovereignty of nations, as that is an illusion... all nations are subordinate under God.  Although many would call this view impractical, as some nations are less beneficial for the people than others.  In some nations the Buddhists would not be left to practice their religion in peace, or to speak the word of God.

The Americans are acting aggressively, so aggressively that it seems likely that they plan to attack, out of self-interest, not principle over Canada's sovereignty.  They do not want a stronger, larger Greek nation that they would be at the mercy of(although, with a southern defensive pact, this vulnerability is quite debatable).  Yes, they are objecting over sovereignty, but not the Canadian's sovereignty, or the Myrmidon's sovereignty. It is their own sovereignty.

When this is realized, the way that nations determine justness in war is more self-evident.  To a nation, just is when that nation looks after its own.  Unjust is when that nation fails to look after its own.  Greece looks after the Greeks first and foremost, and rightly so. The same with the Americans, who look after the American people.

Going to war is the just choice for the Greeks.  It will ensure the sovereignty of Greece for many ages to come.  Smaller countries such as America care about what happens to other small countries such as Canada(especially the geographically close ones), as they believe they have no other choice in order to preserve their sovereignty but to band together with other peoples who are largely strangers.

The Greeks have enough power to not have to rely on other peoples and nations, who lack ultimate compassion for the Greeks(as is natural for people you know not so well).  If America or Canada were stronger than the Greeks and confident in their abilities of war, it would have likely been them invading Greece. Do not doubt this.

Glaukos spoke with wisdom and honor in his address to the world, speaking directly about Greece's motives.  Many nations would invent a reason to attack another nation.  They would spread propaganda, they would invent imaginary transgressions brought against them.  Glaukos spoke directly, stating that the purpose of the war against the Canadians is "To truly assure the continuing prosperity of the Greeks".  He is fulfilling his duty as the Nation's leader, to look after the Greek people and do what is in their best interest.

The Greeks did demonstrate restraint in not attacking the Americans earlier for their more fertile land, although it may have been the wrong choice not to attack them, since it seems an American attack on Greece may be imminent. For a leader, looking after your own country's best interest does not mean taking every possible action to increase the future safety of your country. But it does mean that refusing to take action when it seems evident that inaction may likely lead to later catastrophe, is failure as a leader. Of course, this judgment deals with the unforeseen future, so it may be later discovered that the war against the Canadians was unnecessary.  But the risk of the loss of Greek sovereignty, from not increasing the size and resources of the country, is too high.  A cruel and merciless leader could invade from foreign lands, razing Greek cities, indiscreetly slaughtering the Greek people, and destroy all of Greece's culture and history.  A leader must be prudent, and not take great risks with his nation.

The purpose of the war against Canada is to preserve Greece in ages to come.  Only the Greeks can be trusted to have the desire and compassion to look after the Greeks(and hopefully, the Greek-Canadians).  If we were to not act, it is quite likely future Greeks would curse our names.  Take the words of the Americans lightly, and pray for our soldiers.  We are caring for our own.
 


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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2008, 01:30:41 AM »

It is most unfortunate that you attempt to cite the 'invasion' of the myrmidon empire as being similar to your own attack on a poorly defended northern neighbour.

the myrmidons had plenty of warning of their impending fate when they ignored our concerns over their continued growth which pushed into our own borders. Our reasons for doubt were fueled not by greed and expansion, but in protection.

It then transpired that the myrmindon leadership saw fit to blaspheme against The Truth, and had built a stone circle specifically to invade our lands and turn people against The Truth. The Founders have said from The Beginning (http://www.chaosciv.com/index.php/topic,268.0.html) that anyone attempting to disrespect The Truth will be struck down. Therefore this action should not have been unexpected.

And finally, the myrmidon leaders have been offered a peaceful solution to the war since the moment it began. They have chosen to ignore peace, even after offers of relocation.

I fail to see how your unlawful war is related to our current conflict.
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2008, 02:00:40 AM »

The Canadians are free to go to America, Greece, or other countries, resettle in other unoccupied land, or of course, live in their current Canadian homes under Greek leadership.  Also, the motivation is not greed.  It is to make so Greece has suitable resources to defend itself in the future from whatever possible threats may emerge, and also to secure the northern front (the Canadian leadership had directed 100% of its espionage towards the Greeks, it has become common knowledge among the Greek people that a Canadian agent may be watching them).  If greed was the motivation we would have attempted to conquer the rich American lands.
Also, it is false to say that Canada is not defended.  While its army is less advanced, it is comparable to the Greek armed forces in size (perhaps 2/3rds the size).  The despot Kingpin is of course interested in remaining in power.

OOC:  Also, not all opinions in the article are opinions of the majority of Greeks or opinions of Glaukos.  Although obviously a lot are ;p.  Like the reasoning for war.  When I speak in the general sense without saying who it is(because it's easier and so I can actually have conversations), it is general sentiment of the Greek citizens and Glaukos, like basically all of who I am roleplaying in general... the Greek nation.
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2008, 06:30:19 AM »

Clearly some of the information coming out from this war is different to that which finally reaches the far Eastern civilizations such as The Founders.

Therefore, I suggest that we each refrain from referring to our respective wars in public lest the information is further misinterpreted.

May peace be forthcoming for all of us.
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2008, 06:43:48 PM »

There can be no peace while philosophers spout untruths.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2008, 08:48:34 PM »

So it seems you are saying your attack on the Greeks is all but official.  Will you have the conviction to declare war while you sit by our borders ready to attack, or will you try to make the Greeks off to be the aggressors towards their wayward friends?


We will not attack the American people or take their cities, but if your military enters our land expect a quick demise for them.  If they surrender we will treat them with respect and give them pleasant housing, and when the conflict is over we will let them go back to America, sans their weapons.
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2008, 08:48:52 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2008, 09:05:47 PM »

You call us an aggressor while YOU invade another country?   You have also dictated to us that we need to move our troops from garrisoning our towns when there are thundering hordes of elephants and catapults darkening the horizon with their dust.   Your audicity and gaul is surprising.   I have not stated I will declare war nor do I have the intent to do so.   The Americans despise war, preferring diplomacy and trade to achieve our goals.   It would be foolish for us to attack you when you have such an army in the field.    Let us end this war of words.   We will stay neutral in this conflict but we will defend our borders to the last man if you choose to further your acts of conquest. 
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2008, 09:16:26 PM »

We have not been, nor will be aggressors towards the Americans, nor were we the ones to close borders an expel the others' embassy.  So if there is military aggression between the Greeks or the Americans it will have to be you who begins it.

We spoke nothing about the Canadians, upon we obviously are the ones on the offense, unseating Kingpin. 


But yes, the words are accomplishing little, so the Greeks will speak little more on the matter and hope that the military conflict is quick, and confined to the northern Tundra.  Perhaps with time relations between the Greeks and Americans will return to normalcy.
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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2008, 08:10:21 AM »

I never had much use for philosophy... less use for Greek philosophers Wink
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