War - New Avalon

[Viktor Ahriman]

I regret to inform the nations of the world that Agarthia is now at War with New Avalon.  The culture issue is again at hand with this nation.  We have tried to contact Elkad and his government several times, but recieve no answer.  We even suggested to Elkad that our two nations should start work on a joint naval security zone around our two nations, but of course no answer.  Elkads people have grown more lawless by the day.  His people seem to think its OK to cross the border anywhere except at the border check points that are set up along our two nations.  Our people have been complaining about New Avalonians crossing the border and stealing our cattle  .  There have also been reports of New Avalonians snooping around the city of Eagleton  .  So  at 10:17 Agarthia time, the 1st Shadow Division led by Vladamir Ahriman crossed the border into New Avalon.  Due to the sensitivity of the issue, our military objective will remain classified until we deem it OK to release them.  I do have a message for Elkad, we urge you to contact us to hear our demands.  Think of your people Elkad.
Nothsa Ahriman
Military Commander and Advisor

[Elkad]

New Avalon regrets to inform the citizens of Agarthia that many of their sons have come to an untimely end.  The unit "led" by Vladamir stumbled about so ineptly that no casualties were reported by the militia unit that engaged it, and Vladamir Ahriman himself was captured in cowardly flight.  If the other Agarthian units destroyed were at poorly led, this border incursion would have ended before it even got started.

New Avalon has kept every term of its prior agreement.  Or perhaps the Agarthian leadership thinks the destruction of the pasture by a volcano was an act of New Avalon saboteurs?  That same eruption burned a Avalonian town as the people slept.  As to the cultural incursions.  Yes, our border is close, and some cultural exchange has occured, but it has happened on both sides of the border.

Look to Babylon.  Their religious center at Dur-Kurigalzu presses culture on Eagleton and Alyissa both, yet New Avalon co-exists peacefully with them and it appears Agarthia does as well.  If a bit of intermixing of customs was cause for a war, would not we all be embattled?   No, instead Agarthian leaders lead their men to their deaths, for glory and some ash and cinder covered pastures, or for some imagined slight.  When the rice paddies to Eagleton's southeast fall under Babylonian control, will you start another foolish war there as well, to leave more weeping mothers?

[Capsavian Hopewell]

Aidern considers both Avalon and Agarthia to be our friends.  We are dismayed to see a conflict break out between friends.

Please find a peaceful resolution, if there is one to be had.  I myself have witnessed the destructive forces brought about by simple misunderstandings.  I hope that you may learn from the painful experiences of your eastern friends.  War brings only chaos and suffering.

If you are in need of a neutral mediator, I would be honored to offer my humble services as arbiter in your quest for justice and peace.

By way of Messenger

Vali Capsavian Hopewell,
Aidern

[Viktor Ahriman]

OOC: Remember Elkad, rules state that you CANNOT log back into the game more than once.  Once you do your turn that is it for that turn.  I noticed you logged back in for 30 minuets  .  I wont call a redo on this turn this time, but just so you know.  Also the turn sequence is me first in the turn and you second.

Viktor

[Elkad]

OOC:

I logged back in because I wasn't sure of the turn status.  Civstats looks mighty confusing.  Logged in to check if my turn was still finished, and then saw this post while I was waiting for the game to load.  So I spent a bit of extra time getting your unit names, etc, for my post, but I didn't change/move anything.

Double-moves are not my intention.  Though I'll admit I missed the rule about multiple logins.  If all parties follow a strict turn order, multiple logins have zero effect, so most games don't have a rule about that.

[oyzar]

OOC: As long as the other player haven't logged in between the logins everything should be fine, it is just there to prevent abuse from taking half the turn before the other guy and half the turn after...

[Viktor Ahriman]

Day 2:

We can confirm that infact we lost 3 units in the opening attacks.  As we entered New Avalon territory, our forces needed to set up camp as they were exhausted from the move.  As they set up camp, they were ambused by swordmen from the nearby city of Alyssia.  We can also confirm that Vladamire Ahriman, Viktors uncle did die in the attack.  This is very unfortunate.  Viktor is not happy and will only cause more harm to New Avalon.  Today our forces have captured a worker that was wondering on a hill.  We believe this group of workers were trying to get an eagles eye view of the battle field, thus resulting in his capture. They will be returned to Agarthia for interrogation.

OOC:Thats fine Elkad, I didnt mean to sound too negative.  But please no more logging in more than once per turn as the rules say.  We dont want to start a tit or tat senario.  The new turn sequence is now Ricardo-Viktor-Elkad. However Ricardo and Viktor can swap back and fourth as we are friends and doesnt matter who is going first or second just as long as Elkad is going 3rd.

[Capsavian Hopewell]

OOC: As long as the other player haven't logged in between the logins everything should be fine, it is just there to prevent abuse from taking half the turn before the other guy and half the turn after...

That is correct.  For simplicity's sake, we stated it as "no multiple logins" but ultimately what you stated, Oyzar, is exactly correct.

[da_Vinci]

OOC: Which would mean that the person/alliance going second can log in as many times as they want (after first person/alliance is done), with no real harm, right?

dV

[Viktor Ahriman]

Elkad, I will be getting home from work just as the turn timer is under 10 hours left.  Could you please hold your turn until I get home?  It wont be much under 10 hours.  Ricardo, you can go anytime as we are the ones going first anyways.

Viktor

[Capsavian Hopewell]

Which would mean that the person/alliance going second can log in as many times as they want (after first person/alliance is done), with no real harm, right?

dV

To my feeling, yes.  If there are two parties at war, then yes.  If, say, Agarthia and Babylon are at war with Avalon, and Babylon were to have declared AFTER Avalon made his move, then only Babylon would have that luxury of multi-logins after Avalon's move.

The key here is so that any player at war should check CivStats to ensure they are not logging in out-of-turn, as there's no way to be sure a double-move isn't taking place.

[da_Vinci]

OOC: It would also seem to be rather important to avoid having a "straddle", where ally 1 goes, then axis 1, then ally 2, etc.  That really shortens the windows of opportunity to play.  So an effort shoud be made to keep allies together in the turn order.

dV

[Viktor Ahriman]

I agree and also if it is done that way, allies can flip flop their turns as it doesnt really matter for them.  Like Ricardo and myself go 1st and 2nd, then Elkad is third.  I dont care if Ricardo goes before me this turn and next turn I go before him, just as long as Elkad is always third.  Elkad will always be the player waiting for us two to get done, so really it doesnt matter, right?  That is assuming that our turns is done before the 10 hour limit arrives.  It would not be fair to Elkad otherwise to make him wait so long and just give him a few hours.  So Ricardo and myself need to get our turns done before 10 hour left in the turn, unless we ask if Elkad can wait, just as I did yesterday.  Once we are done, and Elkad takes his turn, then Ricardo and I cannot do anything until next turn.  When at war, all parties need to get their turns done asap.  I will be making my turn around 11 hours left.  My work schedule and the turn timer are conflicting right now.

VIktor

[Elkad]

wow, can we rehash the turn order any more?  maybe you should remind me that I move 3rd a few dozen more times, in case I missed it the first 5 times you said it?

[Viktor Ahriman]

The post was not to you Elkad, but to everyone who seems confused.  Since I played Chaos and Civility I with Capsavain last time, I know the rules.  I was just using our situation as an example.  Everyone seems to have a different idea of what it means to log in during war and multiple logs therafter.  I just used us instead of saying player one etc...  If you would like me to, you move 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 

Viktor

[Capsavian Hopewell]

OOC:  OK, I think we have beaten this dead horse well enough. 

[Viktor Ahriman]

I agree, I need to be studying my war moves, not stating what has already beens stated in the rules 

Viktor