The War in the Tundra

[Levgre]

Glaukos's address to the world


In 485 BC, The Main Greek Army, led by General Zosimus, entered the Canadian empire.  The Greeks expect a relatively quick war, with minimal loss of civilian life.  The Greeks encourage the Canadian military to surrender their arms peacefully, as they will be able to live in their present homes under Greek rule, or migrate to America, Greece, or other lands. 

The Greek army, while not overwhelming in size, is composed of the most modern forces in the known world.  Zosimus and the other Greek commanders do not expect the primitive Canadian army, composed of mostly melee units and some archers, to be able to pose much threat to the Greek Phalanxes supported by Horse Archers, Catapults, and War Elephants.

The Greeks generally avoid violence.  However, there is a general consensus, that to remain strong and assure sovereignty throughout the ages, it was necessary to expand the empire.  While we do trust our southern neighbors, countries and their leaders change, and the Greek Empire was wary of growing small in size compared to other countries.  To truly assure the continuing prosperity of the Greeks, a larger amount of land is required, along with the elimination of a potential northern threat near the Greek capital of Sparta.

To our southern neighbors and friends, the Carthaginians, the Americans, and others, do not take this as a sign of an increasingly aggressive Greek empire.  If Greece was looking towards widespread dominance, we would have attacked the Americans earlier when they were still in their formative stages, and before they and other countries built up militaries comparable to the Greeks.  The Americans have been our friends throughout the ages and will continue to be.  The Canadians will live decent lives under Greek rule with the same rights and representation as the native Greek citizens, so do not be concerned for their well-being.

While short-term this may create chaos in the area, the Greeks aspire to be a stabilizing force throughout the ages.  We are open to being allies with our neighbors in turning away any nations which may decide to encroach upon the Northwestern parts of this continent.

I, Glaukos, leader of the Greeks, pray for the success of the Greek men about to engage in battle.  It will be an honorable war, and the stories of its heroic acts will become a glorious section of Greece's history.

[Kingpin]

The government of the Saskatchewan Empire (a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dominion of Canada) responds with outrage at the hostile actions of our Greek neighbours.  We are a peaceful nation of agrarian beaver pelt gatherers and genuine Saskatchewan seal skin merchants.  Come on, who invades Canada?  Besides the Americans in 1812, but that's another story...

In invading our slightly less well armed nation, "primitive" you say (and how is that any different from the real Canadian Army, you might ask?), you have threatened the sovereignty of every nation on the continent of "Whatever-we're-calling-it."  I call out to the leaders of the nations of... this continent, and ask them, if they value the blood, sweat and tears they have invested in building their noble countries, to rise up and punish the vile Greeks who have threatened their very peace and prosperity.  Any nation befriending the Greeks can be sure of receiving an address similar to Glaukos's recent address.  Bring to the Greeks the defeat they deserve for their actions.

The military forces of Saskatchewan will attempt to do much with little, which is what Canada has always done on the field of battle.  If you want a fight, bring it on, Zosimus.  Canadians will only go down fighting.

And by the way, we're not falling for any Trojan horse things so don't even bother.

[Rennald Skarsgard]

ooc:  Technically you weren't a country in 1812 i believe, just territory owned by England.  So its not like the US invaded Canada, they invaded English holdings. 

[Capsavian Hopewell]

OOC: "Saskatchewan Empire (a wholly owned subsidiary of the Dominion of Canada)"

OK, that made me laugh a bit.

Pity we won't get any of those genuine Saskatchewan seal skins if the Greeks take over the baby seal clubbing activities.

[Kingpin]

ooc:  Technically you weren't a country in 1812 i believe, just territory owned by England.  So its not like the US invaded Canada, they invaded English holdings. 

True, but we like to keep remind Americans about it.  Most of them have no idea that Canadian and British forces burned the Whitehouse. 

[WarningU2]

OOC ... Back to the game 

The Americans wish to publically protest the unjust war launched north against our friends the Canucks.   We suspect that the only reason that the war was launched was to obtain the iron ore which KingPin mines.  We question why diplomatic initiatives to trade were not launched to mutually benefit the people of Canada and Greece, rather than a war to liberate people who don't need liberating?

We look upon Greece's superior armies and wonder how much longer will it be before their armies overrun us?  We cannot support our friends the Canadians and risk our own citizens.   Suffice to say that relations with Greece are suspended.   We have expelled their ambassador. 

There is much concern in our lands with little sleep... we can hear the screams of the slaughter of innocents, while the northern horizon turns orange and red from the horrors being committed.

WarningU2

[Levgre]

Like was declared in the statement, if the Greeks wanted to attack the Americans we would have done it earlier when you were extremely vulnerable, having no metal and little production, while Greece had phalanxes and archers.  I don't know what you consider the possible motivation to delay the attack 2000 years at the point when you have a much larger army, along with your neighbors like the Carthaginians having much larger armies.

It has never been claimed that the war was done with the intent to liberate the people of Canada, so it seems you are trying to accuse us of duplicity that was never there.  The intent is to combine the two peoples and lands, since the Greek land is quite small and later on in history we would not be self-sufficient. 

[Levgre]

We also see you have taken upon committing propaganda, as there has only been one small-scale military conflict, where a phalanx destroyed a Canadian spearmen detachment.  The Greeks have also destroyed an iron mine so that Kingpin could not use it in training his men, but there were no casualties. We do not know from where you are hearing the screams of these innocents.  It has surely not been the Greeks, so perhaps the Canadians are torturing their own people?

[WarningU2]

You have the audicity to call what I say propaganda !?

That is laughable after your so called address to the world to explain your actions.

Carry on in your so called just war.

We have no intent to take action against you but if you believe I do ... then fear is something you manifest yourself and to unsettle your sleep.

That is all I have to say.


- WarningU2

[Carolus Maltman]

These are grave tidings indeed, of war in the frigid northern lands we have never seen. We cannot condone hostile action against an erstwhile peaceful nation - how would any nation feel were they invaded under no just pretext? Protection of the sovereignty of a nation and its people is of paramount importance.

We must ask our Greek neighbours to cease and desist their hostile activities, to confirm their noble intentions to our western subcontinental friends.

Emissary of Carolus Maltman
Holy Carolingian Empire

[Levgre]

Good word has returned to Sparta today.  The Canadian capital has been taken by General Zosimus and his army.  The Canadian armed forces fought bravely, even attempting a preemptive assault on the Greek camp, although it was turned back with heavy losses for the Canadians.

Greek spies, with the help of Canadian agents, started a riot in the city.  During the riot the Greek/Canadian commandos were able to disable the cities defenses, so the fortified army received the full brunt of the Greek Catapults.





After the bombardments were done, the Greek phalanxes charged into the city, routing the already weakened and disorganized defenders.



Finally, the War Elephants that were not wounded so badly in the earlier Canadian assault (and the Greek cavalry also) mopped up the remaining Canadian forces who had not yet surrendered, posed as civilians, or been destroyed. 
 


In the end, the Canadian army was totally routed, with minimal casualties to Greek forces.  The city is in disorder, with some Canadians heckling the Greek soldiers, throwing rocks and slabs of meat, and disabling the cities infrastructure.

The army was pleased to find finely made coats after their long, cold trek across the Canadian landscape.  Especially the soldiers who hail from near the Pyrros Desert in Southern Greece. Strange, large rodents were seen observing the battle, and it seems their fur is the material for the coats.







However, the fighting does not seem to be over yet, as Carthaginian and American forces have massed right next to Greece's Southern and Western borders.  It seems certain now that America and Carthage will be attacking Greece, and that Zosimus and his army are not yet done with major battles.




The Greeks hope that the conflict will be over soon after the first waves of invaders are repelled.

The Greeks will not be attempting to take over the American or Carthaginian countries, and if any of the cities are occupied to halt further military production, they will be turned over to the Carolingian empire or Grendal City States.



Written and illustrated by Nikomedes, traveling Greek historian
Current member of General Zosimus's entourage

[WarningU2]

WAR !

We have declared war on Greece to end this Glaukos reign, who is carrying out crimes against humanity in Canada. 
 

We have no battle with Greece's citizens.  WE will not be using weapons to cause collateral damage to its citizens like Glaukos did in Canada 

We urge the world to rise up and fight this tryranny that has arisen on our world.   For evil wins when good men do nothing. 

[Levgre]

And the leaders of desperate nations try to paint the strong as evil, to justify their agendas of power.  Greece does not see good and evil in this conflict, but we see who threatens to destroy the country of Greece, a bastion of culture and freedom. Prepare for defeat.

The Greeks will not lie idle and be surrounded by possible foes on 4 sides.  With the combined power of the 3 nations there could have been balance between Greece and the rest of the northwestern continent.  Greece would expand its empire from 6 to 10 cities(2 of which, frozen outposts with hardly enough food to feed 10,000 citizens), combined the others would have 18. But, no, Greece was supposed to be an indentured servant to the collective whims of different peoples.




We also see the Carolingians have gone back on what they said, previously stating they would not join the war unless the conflaguration spread further. 
It has not spread, it is still only in Canada and Greece, and at any moment at the decision of the three continental police, it will remain in Canada.  It has not spread but by the choices of the Carolingians and their partners in war.  But such is the way with men.



And also, despot WarningU2 of the Americans, your war is with the Greek people.  They are the ones who voted for war against Canada and are in support of it.  Do not expect any quarter from Greek citizens who will instead pick up their sword and stab your men.  Except for the Buddhist pacifists of course, who will likely leave their present homes in their holy city, so they can avoid the site of conflict.


Tyko
1st messenger and envoy of Glaukos

[Carolus Maltman]

Your belligerence knows no bounds!

My people have never declared war in the history of our Empire. As the war HAS begun to spread, you have clearly painted yourself as our enemy. We now have no choice but to side with those you have grouped us with in your angry and distorted world view.

We must protect our people - so the time has come for WAR! No more Canadians will be slaughtered without repercussions. We will stand with these downtrodden people against their would-be oppressors.

[Levgre]

"As the war HAS begun to spread, you have clearly painted yourself as our enemy. We now have no choice but to side with those you have grouped us with in your angry and distorted world view."

We did no such grouping, and forced no such choice.
As of just several moons ago, with Carthaginian and American armies on our borders, we did not think you in collaboration with them... except for surely allying with them in the event of Greece aggression towards the South, which we had gave our word would not occur.


However, Queen Dido took it upon herself to first announce the Carolingians participation, when in her address she said Carthage troops "will be standing shoulder to shoulder with American and Carolingian warriors". 

So that is the explanation for us painting you as the enemy.  Request an apology from Queen Dido, if she had misspoken, and we will apologize and gift you fine furs as a sign of our regret, for our mistaken classification of the Carolingians.

Tykos

[Levgre]

The first major battle of Greece's defensive campaign went as well as could be anticipated. The Carolingians have not yet got within range to threaten Corinth, except with their chariots, so the Eastern front was able to be kept mostly devoid of troops.  We did not have sufficient forces to attack both the Americans and Carthaginians main armies, but an assault was taken against Carthage's army with devastating losses to them.




Many of the units of the foes are poorly trained, or were armed with weapons not especially good for invasion forces, like bows and arrows.  It seems evident that these countries have not had an especially strong military tradition, and while their armies were competent, they were ill-suited for a serious invasion against a better equipped foe. 

Carthage's army, while impressive in size, was stuck in the open field. Our full homeland catapult force, specially trained in inflicting collateral damage by the Military prodigy Belisarius, inflicted mortal damage to the Carthaginian forces.


The force Belisarius personally lead into battle was the one that came closest to defeat, and at one moment Belisarius was nearly crushed by a falling elephant.


It is not expected that there will be much problem holding off the remaining armies, at this point.  It seemed they might overwhelm one of the three cities with the Greek forces spread so thin. But now, with the Carthaginan forces all but wiped out, the Greek armies will be able to redistribute to defend against each invading army.  Then they will simply hold the invaders off, until the Greek catapults can travel the back roads and reinforce, and bombard the invaders from within the safety of our cities.


Gregorios
City Manager of Mycenae
lead General during the battle of Mycenae

[Levgre]

nm

[AFsoccer]

OOC:  Yes, your catapults were amazingly lucky.  Congrats!  Not a single one died, even though they were going up against Horse Archers (which have +50% against catapults) and Axeman (same strength as cats).  Go figure.

[Levgre]

OOC:  Yes, your catapults were amazingly lucky.  Congrats!  Not a single one died, even though they were going up against Horse Archers (which have +50% against catapults) and Axeman (same strength as cats).  Go figure.

OOC: 
Thanks :p Yeah, I was quite lucky not to lose any of those.  Although I think on average i'd only lose 1-2 of the 6.

Although horse archers only have +50% 'attack' against catapults :p not defense.  Your numidian cavalry are more vulnerable than the normal horse archer against catapults... they are a very offensive unit.

And my catapults had +10% against melee, so they had about 70% chance to retreat, since we were even in strength, except if your axeman was wounded, so the odds kept increasing until it got over 90%.  I Only had about 60% retreat odds I think, for the first battles against your cavalry.   

(catapults retreat once the opponent is at 25%, so if you are tied in strength normally, you win half the battles and lose half.  So the catapults retreat 100% of the time they'd normally win. But they also retreat some of the times they'd normally lose.  Like sometimes your unit gets to near death, then has a comeback and wins.  The catapults never die from those comebacks, because they retreat before that could happen).

[Capsavian Hopewell]

OOC:  Nice falling elephant screenshot!  Good thing the hero was able to side-step in time.

Talk about an epic war!

[AFsoccer]

Although horse archers only have +50% 'attack' against catapults :p not defense. 

OOC: Aah, I thought they had +50% versus catapults all the time but only got the flanking advantage when attacking.
I guess that helps explain it... but it still seems I had some bad luck.

I guess it evens out over the long run.  I remember one time (in another game) I was attacking a city from a ship and I only had a 3% chance of winning.  I conducted the attack with a sacrificial unit in hopes of softening the target a bit but actually won.  I was so surprised... but I guess 3% means exactly that.  And we've probably all had times when we've had 99% odds of winning against a unit and lost.  Ugh.

[da_Vinci]

OOC:  99% is not 100% for a reason ... 

Glaukos, any tricks to getting those in-combat screenshots?

dV

[Levgre]

OOC:  Hmm there are basically 3 things or so that can help.

1.  You can rotate the map, so when the combat zooms in, it will zoom in from a different direction (perhaps only two possible vantage points with combat zoom, not sure)

2.  You can turn off combat zoom, so it doesn't zoom in.  So then you can get some more new vantage points.  The falling elephant picture was without combat zoom.

3.  Hit print screen repeatedly/occasionally throughout the battle, and hope for neat pictures :p I took about 25 in combat pictures total, and used 7.
Sometimes you can time for a specific event/animation, like I'm trying to get better at taking pictures of the catapults when their launchers are releasing , instead of in ready position.   But it's usually hard to.

[Levgre]

The Americans have asked for peace, as Zosimus has led his army to the rear of WarningU2s lands, and threatens the city of New York.  The Greeks are susceptible to the idea of peace, but we would need to know what the other 2 nations believe. And if the Greeks are considered enemies now for conquering the Canadians, how would we not be considered enemies later?  May we not now, perhaps, be mortal enemies?  What would be done to prevent further conflicts?

We would also like to decalre that we attacked the American forces on the hill outside of Thebes because the Greek cities are still in quite a compromising position, and there is no concrete assurance of the end of hostilities.  If there was no strategic benefit to the fight, we would not have attacked.


Tyko

[Levgre]

We can guarantee however, that if you move your forces away from Sparta, we will postpone our attack on New York, so we can have two rounds of negotiations (well, one and a half) with no conflict between our militaries.

Tyko

[WarningU2]

This is to formally announce the end of hostilities between Greece and America

[Kingpin]

Alas, my forces have been neutralized.  I offer you my sword, Glaukos.  'Twas well played on your part. 
I look forward to a rematch in Chaos & Civility III.

[Capsavian Hopewell]

OOC:  Farewell, Kingpin.  Thanks for playing, and I do hope you will join us for CC III!  We might have to call that one "Chaos and Civility III:  Levgre's Demise"