I can't log in....

[oyzar]

It won't last much longer. As you should be aware of, inactivity leads to neglect which leads to poor defense etc..

[Viktor Ahriman]

I agree with Levgee, and also we should put the timer back at 20 hours.  Namila is abusing the turns.  What he is doing should not be allowed.  It only is going to open the door to others.....

[oyzar]

open the doors for others to drive their civs into ruin? As it is it seems like the timer runs 25:40-25:50 or something roughly. If the timer was increased by at least an hour it would be closer to real 24 hours..

[Viktor Ahriman]

Well, I mean to abuse the 3 turns missed rule.  We had a guy in Chaos I that was doing the same thing for while.  Yes it does hurt your civ when you dont play, but its not him we are talking about, its all of us that have to wait for him.

Viktor

[Bernout]

Well, I mean to abuse the 3 turns missed rule.  We had a guy in Chaos I that was doing the same thing for while.  Yes it does hurt your civ when you dont play, but its not him we are talking about, its all of us that have to wait for him.

This is a Pitboss game with a roughly 24 hour timer.  It's a timer for a reason. 

I think people just need to take their patience pills and suck it up.

Bernout

[Levgre]

Well, I mean to abuse the 3 turns missed rule.  We had a guy in Chaos I that was doing the same thing for while.  Yes it does hurt your civ when you dont play, but its not him we are talking about, its all of us that have to wait for him.

This is a Pitboss game with a roughly 24 hour timer.  It's a timer for a reason. 

I think people just need to take their patience pills and suck it up.

Bernout

Unless Caps, the game magistrate, has stated otherwise :p.

[Levgre]

open the doors for others to drive their civs into ruin? As it is it seems like the timer runs 25:40-25:50 or something roughly. If the timer was increased by at least an hour it would be closer to real 24 hours..

hm?  I don't follow...  I'm guessing you meant to say if the timer was decreased, as it goes over 24 right now?

[Viktor Ahriman]

Bernout, its not the fact that we are talking about waiting for the timer to expire, Lev and I are talking about Namila playing one turn, then missing 2, playing one and so fourth.  We are saying this cant be allowed.  I mearly just suggested returning to 20  hours as it was before christmas.

[Bernout]

Bernout, its not the fact that we are talking about waiting for the timer to expire, Lev and I are talking about Namila playing one turn, then missing 2, playing one and so fourth.  We are saying this cant be allowed.  I mearly just suggested returning to 20  hours as it was before christmas.

I know what you guys are talking about.  The fact is that namliaM hasn't disappeared completely so the nation is not inactive.  He is also maintaining a level of activity that is clearly specified as being allowed in the rules.  The only reason not to like it is because everyone needs to wait on the timer expiring more often then they'd like.  My point was that you guys should quit whining and suck it up.     What's the best case?  You save a couple of hours each turn with this large a game...the fact is you are still likely stuck to one turn a day regardless.  Hell, personally I prefer being able to do my turn at roughly the same time every day.

If namliaM neglects his nation by not finding a sub to help him out then that is his choice.  It's his nation.  I see that there are some people already who have declared war no doubt to take advantage of the situation.

IMO we should just leave the rules as is but Capsavian should talk to namliaM and encourage him to play his turns and/or find a sub to help him out.

Bernout

[Capsavian Hopewell]

I think twice now, I've kicked Namliam to AI after missing 3-4 turns in a row.  Each time, I've contacted him before doing that, and each time, he returned to the game.

I don't like being the "bad guy" who has to kick someone for missing turns--particularly if/when they are experiencing personal trouble or technical problems (not sure if that is the case with Namliam, but often it is, when people start dropping out).

That said, it is in our rules for a reason, and so I will contact Namliam once again to see if he will continue playing.  If not, I will have to turn his civ over to the AI until a sub is found.  Either way, his nation likely won't be around too much longer. As Oyzar pointed out:  apathy leads to decay, and decay is an invitation to invasion.

Thank you to everyone for providing input on this subject.

[oyzar]

He missed 6, then 2 and now 3 so far...

[Elkad]

Its getting unlikely any turn will flip early anyway, so if he's maintaining a minimum of control of his civ, so what?

In my situation, I could probably do the same.  Its easy to queue up dozens of worker turns in advance, build queues, tech research orders, etc.

Being in a war doesn't really change that either.  Playing every 2nd turn might cost you some counterattack chances, but its better than what the AI does in a war.  No, its not optimum.  Its still better than letting the AI decide half your defenders should go off pillaging or something.

[oyzar]

Well he haven't logged in since his war started... I think he is just bussy, but being this bussy it might have been a good idea to find subs for his pitbosses..

[Viktor Ahriman]

I agree, I can see missing a turn here and there once in awhile, but what has been going on with NamliaM is not Ok.

[Capsavian Hopewell]

I would kick him to AI, but at this point I think his nation's fate is a forgone conclusion.  There will be nothing more than spare exploring troops wandering around in two turns.

Incidentally, I never received a response from my latest PM to him (advising him of the fact that he is under attack).  Hopefully he is just simply busy, and not ill or worse.

[Levgre]

I say boot him to AI now, anyways.  Last turn he made it go a couple extra hours, as the only player not finished.  Could do the same for the next week.

[Viktor Ahriman]

I agree, wether he is going to die or not, the rules are if you miss 3 you are booted to AI.   Cap, you should also make a ammendment in the rules that missing a couple of turns and playing one, then repeating this for several turns is not acceptable and will be subject to being kicked to AI. UNLESS the player is keeping all of us informed, like Munro has been. (but he is finding a sub which is what you should do)  In this case, we have no idea what is going on.

[Capsavian Hopewell]

I booted him to AI, as I concur.

Irony of ironies, the moment I did that, an AI-controlled Namliam chariot came out of the darkness to capture-and-raze my border town of Quinoa (defended by a lone warrior).  That blows!   

[oyzar]

why were you at war with him in the first place, and why didn't you have defense in your cities? :S

[Capsavian Hopewell]

he had a worker wandering unescorted, and was too tempting to leave uncaptured.   

And I did have it defended--with a lone warrior.  Size 1 city, hugging the coast, I was moving a spearman up to reside there (one more turn away).  All about timing I guess. 

doh!

[Viktor Ahriman]

LOL, are you kidding me?  That sucks!  Of all things that could have happened, and you get a city razed.

[da_Vinci]

Probably another case of demonic possession ...

dV

[Matriarch]

oh noes!  more demonses?!     

I didn't think to warn you about the chariot sorry.  I think it must have been the one which was in my land.  i forgot to end turn, so will log in and get rid of him if you havent already.

[oyzar]

Forgot/possesed/bewitched they are all synonyms i tell you.

[Capsavian Hopewell]

Forgot/possesed/bewitched they are all synonyms i tell you.

Yeah, I'll buy that!  In any case, I don't want another era of demonic warfare! 

[oyzar]

With this many players there are almost always someone who don't log in as such you can't expect the timer to flip anthing before it runs out...

[oyzar]

Take now for example, 8 hours left on the timer and just waiting for warningU2. Also as people get in a worse position, they are less interested in spending time on the game...

[Viktor Ahriman]

Well if in that position, if they feel like that, they should go to AI.  When we sign up for the game, we have a certain responsibility to do our turn.  I agree that there are times when you cant do your turn right away and you need the entire timer.  But out of respect for other players, if your nation is beaten down and you dont feel like playing much anymore, its only fair to tell us and switch to AI.

[oyzar]

I don't think you get the point... As bernout says, you should take your patience pills. With this many players there are almost always going to be someone who are slow in taking their turn, it is different pretty much every turn so it is not like you can tell people to go to AI just for missing a turn... It wasn't stated anywhere in the game when we joined that everyone were expected to play their turn in the first 12 hours or something such silly.. Playing against the AI is stupid and totaly unfair to the rest of the people as it gives the neighbours of the AI a tremendous advantage...

[Viktor Ahriman]

I dont think  you understand, you said that people are skipping their turns because their nation is run down and not worth playing. (Not worded that way, but that was your point).  I was mearly just stating that if a player is feeling that his nation is not worth playing, so he skips a turn here and there, that is not fair to us.  I dont care if the timer runs down every turn, or if all the turns are completed early, nor did I say anything about a player doing his turn under 12 hours left in the timer to be switched to AI.  But the turns have to be made by everyone before the timer expires.  Even missing a turn here and there is no big deal, but when it becomes a habit, thats where the problem lies.  When everyone joined the game, there is a basic understanding that doesnt have to be in the rules.  That is if you want to play, then play.  But it does say in the rules that if you miss 3 consecutive turns, then you are booted unless you are in communication with the pitboss host.  You need to stop coming up with these excuses.  Look at Namilia, you were defending his missing turns, and yet has never made an attempt to contact any of us as to why he was missing so many turns.  Look at yourself, you have made all your turns, and so have the 99% of us.  Let me make it clear again, I dont care if the timer runs down to the final minutes so long as the turns are being made and if a turn is missed that is fine.  Its only when it becomes a habit.  I am not the only one that is making this point.  There are several players that agree.  Do you understand?  Infact, I dont even keep track of other players.  It is usually brought up by other players like yourself or someone who is paying attention to other peoples turns.  I dont mean to be rude, but rules are rules whether you have 10 players or 28.  I am not going to get into an argument with you, the rules are rules.